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  • [-]  pg 9 hours ago link
    I see no sign of the trend he describes. And if it were happening I'd see it. But I don't find myself telling startups preparing for Demo Day "you guys are building important technology, so you'll have an uphill battle with investors, but you other guys have a social startup, so you'll have it easy."
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    • [-]  socratic 9 hours ago link
      Is that what Blank is arguing though?

      I remember listening to your office hours at TC Disrupt, when you were talking to the guy from Omniplaces. You said: "This is commercialized research? Ouch. It’s often a solution in search of a problem..." (Of course, that was part of a broader commentary about how the startup shouldn't be competing with Google in search, which I don't necessarily disagree with.)

      But I think that's what he's talking about. Sun, Google, Cisco, Akamai, VMWare, and a variety of other technology companies came fairly directly out of commercialized university research in systems, databases, networking, virtualization. Are there YC companies that are commercialized university research? Such companies at the very least seem very different from companies like Airbnb which seem like they evolved from a consumer problem rather than innovative technology. What's more, it seems like basing investing decisions on current consumer behavior and problems seems much more sensible than doing so based on technology, which is what Blank seems to be arguing and what you seemed to be arguing at Disrupt.

      http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/12/tc-disrupt-office-hours-wit...

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      • [-]  pg 8 hours ago link
        The problem with commercialized research is more the attitudes of the founders than what they're building. They usually approach starting a startup as a solution in search of a problem. Sun (and Google) were exceptions in that even while working on the project within a university, they were building a product. We'd love to fund that kind of project, but they're rare.
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        • [-]  waterlesscloud 3 hours ago link
          Isn't the fact that they're rare his point?
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        • [-]  DanBC 5 hours ago link
          Do they know you're there? Do they realise that they can do interesting research, and build a product, and get a chance at funding from you?

          Has anyone tried to solve that publicity problem?

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        • [-]  ThomPete 7 hours ago link
          But couldn't that be said about Facebook too?
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          • [-]  nswanberg 6 hours ago link
            Facebook was born in a university dorm room, not a university lab (or department lounge). Facebook is a great product, and has spawned some interesting technology created to solve a massive scaling problem, but what cause the scaling problem to begin with was a product created with a good intuition for what people love, built with some existing, not academic, technologies.
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            • [-]  ThomPete 6 hours ago link
              I was more thinking about the problem looking for a solution part.
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    • [-]  ericflo 9 hours ago link
      I can confirm this. When my co-founder and I told PG we were working on a mobile social network around movie trailers, he hated the idea, and told us we would have a hard time and that we should build more important technology.

      We wouldn't have arrived where we are today without building what we built, so I hesitate to call it a mistake, but PG was right in the end :)

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    • [-]  sblank 9 hours ago link
      Hmm. Selection bias perhaps? How many medical devices, nano materials, chemical sensors and life science, etc. startups applied to the last Y-Combinator cohort? The hundreds of hard science teams I see every year don't send you applications.
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      • [-]  pg 8 hours ago link
        We started out specializing in software, so we rarely get these types of applications. But you can build important infrastructure using software (indeed, most of the examples you give are largely or mostly software). And the companies we fund that are building such things do not have a harder time raising money than the companies building social apps.
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      • [-]  brlewis 8 hours ago link
        The hundreds of hard science teams I see every year don't send you applications.

        Maybe some of them should. Sure, the direct experience of most of the YC partners is web-centric, but they're connected enough in SV that YC might be a big benefit, especially if any of those teams are amenable to a 3-month build cycle.

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    • [-]  hef19898 7 hours ago link
      I'm not going to contradict you, but at least to me it seems that all the hype and press goes to social start-ups. I'm excluding mobile since this is a rather new technology. Being as far away from SV and Vcs as you can probably get in the western world, I had the impression that there could be some kind of "social bubble". Or am I completely mislead here?

      That said, I don't believe you can make the point the other way round. whereas social start-ups can have an easier going there is also more competition. On the other hand the next apple might face different problems.

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    • [-]  ucee054 3 hours ago link
      EDIT for clarity:

      I think Steve Blank has in mind the level of ambition of the stealth fighter program.

      Such a venture would involve putting in many orders of magnitude more money than YC invests in a single startup.

      Today's equivalent would be investing in a new Intel corporation.

      Last time I checked, YC sponsored much smaller ventures such as bed-and-breakfast exchanges and online backup systems.

      So why would you be involved at all in such ventures, let alone aware of the trend?

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      • [-]  pg 2 hours ago link
        Sounds like you don't understand what we do. We do seed funding. The money we invest is not the last a startup will raise; it's just enough to get them to the point where they can raise more. So YC can fund arbitrarily expensive projects.
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  • [-]  pg 1 day ago link
    Francisco Tolmasky.
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  • [-]  pg 1 day ago link
    I'm one of the people who can't see it. Usually we'd kill a submission on a FB page. Do you understand what's different this time?

    Honestly, the comments on this thread are such an embarrassment.

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    • [-]  ceol 1 day ago link
      Is the difference you're implying the fact it's Mark Zuckerberg, the person whose company just went public and is a relatively famous Internet entrepreneur? I'm not trying to take a side, but I'm not sure which difference you're implying and which comments are an embarrassment. Could you expand?
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      • [-]  ticks 1 day ago link
        My guess would be that it's due to the link pointing to the original source and the title being self explanatory.
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      • [-]  InclinedPlane 22 hours ago link
        It might have something to do with the fact that the guy who invented facebook is using it to announce his marriage.
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      • [-]  romeodelight 1 day ago link
        do you feel smart about your comment? if you're not interested in a topic, don't click on it. why are you spending time and effort to comment on something you're not interested in?
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        • [-]  ceol 1 day ago link
          ...what? I never said I'm not interested in this. In fact, I specifically said I was not taking a side.
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    • [-]  stroboskop 1 day ago link
      A moderator replacing the FB link with an accessible link would have solved the issue for me. I didn't ask for deletion.

      My vote is for updating the HN guidelines to discourage submissions behind login walls.

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    • [-]  tripzilch 1 day ago link
      Not really. So did he get married or did someone hack Zuckerberg's account to change status to married, or is it a joke, or is it something entirely different?

      The title tells me nothing, and I should probably use a search engine to check what's actually going on.

      And if it turns out Zuckerberg simply got married, I just wasted my time researching celebrity gossip.

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      • [-]  AVTizzle 1 day ago link
        "Researching" as if Hacker News isn't itself a form of entertainment and consumption. Let's not kid ourselves...
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      • [-]  romeodelight 1 day ago link
        >I just wasted my time researching celebrity gossip.

        you just wasted your time commenting on this topic. what's the difference?

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    • [-]  reneherse 1 day ago link
      No need to change the HN guidelines, folks.

      However, it looks like Asimov's three laws could use an addendum: Be a good sport and a gentleman when significant things happen to people in your community. Apply soft-skill known as "heart".

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  • [-]  pg 1 day ago link
    Congratulations Mark and Priscilla!
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    • [-]  boyter 1 day ago link
      Frankly that's all that needed to be said. No talk about pre-nups, IPO's or Facebook. Just that a high profile, but obviously loving couple tied the knot. Makes me smile just thinking about it.

      Congratulations to them both as well.

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      • [-]  Locke1689 1 day ago link
        It's inspiring for me that Mark went through such an incredible ordeal in the founding of Facebook but he was still able to make it work between him and Priscilla. It shows that you can have a relationship while also trying to change the world (and, hell, your partner may be what gets you through).
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      • [-]  huggyface 1 day ago link
        Could I have some of that cheese for my sandwich?

        You don't know them, I'm fairly confident. I don't know them. Almost no one here knows them. The single and only reason this has any relevance is because of Facebook, IPOs, from which a natural discussion is pre-nups, etc. Or are we to all pretend that we're pals?

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    • [-]  Shalen 1 day ago link
      Congrats Zuck and Priscilla!

      I don't understand some of the materialistic comments (prenups etc.) on this thread. Zuck marrying his long time love is a beautiful blessing. PG, I'd met Zuck after you had invited him to your startup school 2007 and since then have interacted with him. He also kept his word on followups he'd announced during his talk then. He is such a humble person despite all his successes. I'm so happy for him.

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    • [-]  diwank 1 day ago link
      Congrats Mark.
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    • [-]  johnhartigun 1 day ago link
      Do you think they will read that?

      Congratulating on his FB or Twitter would be more effective :)

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  • [-]  pg 2 days ago link
    Artists do this too.
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    • [-]  loso 2 days ago link
      Yeah, when you are taught to draw, they always tell you to hold the picture up to a mirror. Any errors become blatant when you do that. Its also why you have to be careful when you draw at an angle when sitting down. As soon as you sit the picture up right once again errors show up where you didn't see them before.
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      • [-]  evincarofautumn 2 days ago link
        In one particularly embarrassing example, I once spent dozens of hours on a project for a drawing class, only to find I’d included perspective distortion on the entire image from the angle at which I’d been viewing the canvas.

        Luckily it turned out to be a good-looking effect, and I got a good grade by passing it off as intentional.

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  • [-]  pg 3 days ago link
    When we realized that multiple YC partners had already independently contributed to the Kickstarter project because they wanted to use Light Table themselves, it was not a hard decision.
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  • [-]  pg 4 days ago link
    Wow, that's pretty cool. To some degree it's inevitable that a company will become more bureaucratic and less hackerly as it grows, but Mark seems determined to resist that tendency as much as one can.
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    • [-]  lbrandy 4 days ago link
      I'll be spending the night trying to switch all the central datastructures of our service over to an arena allocator, since I'm pretty sure it'll be a nice win. And, with any luck, I'll sleep most of tomorrow.
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  • [-]  pg 4 days ago link
    The pieces of this argument fit together very neatly, but the problem is that they don't correspond to reality. E.g. the cloud about increased VC fundraising. In reality VCs are having a hard time fundraising:

    http://nvcaccess.nvca.org/index.php/topics/research-and-tren...

    Thus it also isn't true that the cause of higher valuations is that VCs have more money. Valuations are certainly higher, but I think the reason is that founders are increasingly getting the upper hand over investors. Which is why in addition to getting higher valuations, founders are increasingly able to retain board control.

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    • [-]  mikeryan 4 days ago link
      Even if he's wrong on that point does it invalidate the basic premise that other businesses suffer at the expense of the companies which are overvalued?

      (at least thats how I read it)

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      • [-]  pg 3 days ago link
        It could. When there is a lot of talk about startups in the press, that increases the supply of programmers, because it makes more people study CS. But as I pointed out in another comment, big companies could be responsible for more of the increased demand for hackers than startups. If so, "overvalued" startups could be net helping rather than hurting the job market.

        I'm not saying this is the case. I don't know. If were going to write about this topic, I'd start by looking at the world and seeing what's actually happening.

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    • [-]  ForrestN 4 days ago link
      Clearly there isn't just one reason, right? Can't all of these factors, and others, be contributing? I don't claim to know who's right, or how to weight the various factors, but big exits certainly do free up capital to be reinvested in more companies, don't they?

      I'm curious in a broader sense what you (or anyone else who is experiencing it first hand) makes of the "bubble question." I'm sure it's unlikely but it would be great to have such people on the record with general predictions about the coming months and years.

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      • [-]  pg 4 days ago link
        No, the capital returned to a VC fund after an exit is not reinvested. It's distributed to the LPs. And while yes, strictly speaking, the LPs now have more money to invest than they had before, they are mostly giant endowments, pension funds, and foundations who only have a small fraction of their assets in VC funds, and whose future investment decisions are decided by asset allocation policies and not by recent returns.

        The way big exits cause more money to be invested by VCs is not that capital is freed up thereby, but rather that news of them makes more people want to start or invest in VC funds. But that process is much slower.

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        • [-]  ForrestN 4 days ago link
          Thanks! That makes sense. I just hear so many names of individuals being associated with these windfalls it's easy to imagine them continuing to invest on the basis of their holdings being liquidated.
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    • [-]  smacktoward 4 days ago link
      Those data read like they're limited to VC firms big enough to join the NVCA, which requires funds to have at least one full-time employee to qualify for membership (see http://nvca.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...). So angel investment wouldn't be included, and (anecdotally, I know) it feels like angel investment is where a lot of the big recent money has come from.
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      • [-]  pg 4 days ago link
        Not among companies we've funded. Most of the money comes from VCs, even in what used to be called angel rounds. VCs' funds are just so much larger. A single VC fund is hundreds of millions. It would take a lot of angels to invest that much.
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    • [-]  richcollins 4 days ago link
      Where is the money that's driving increased developer/designer demand coming from?
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      • [-]  pg 4 days ago link
        I don't think investor money is the main driver of increased demand for hackers. The biggest sources of demand are the big companies, like Google and Facebook, and they're paying the hackers' salaries out of revenues.
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        • [-]  izak30 4 days ago link
          So conversely, more money is needed to compete with those who are already profitable.
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      • [-]  hkarthik 4 days ago link
        It's the same money as before, but it's just being distributed towards higher salaries for developers/designs because the other infrastructure costs of starting a company have come down so much.

        Even with the salaries being 20-40% higher, the initial costs for a startup are still at a historically low level, so more startups are being funded. As more players enter the ecosystem, they start competing for talent, hence driving the wages up even further.

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    • [-]  RobPfeifer 4 days ago link
      Is this really true? seems like the early and late stage guys are doing pretty well raising funds. - Summit closed 2 funds with a combined 3.2bn in January - NEA is raising 2.5bn - AH raised 1.5bn - General Catalyst is raising around $500m - Accel has raised Big Data and India funds in the last year

      Also from that article: "The dollars raised this year may equal or surpass 2011 levels – but the number of funds managing that capital will almost certainly be less. "

      It may be true a lot of follow-on Sand Hill Series B and C guys are struggling, but a lot of them haven't generated returns in forever and should have been out of business years ago. Won't they just get replaced?

      And don't founders tend to get the upper hand when capital is easiest to come by and optimism is at its highest?

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    • [-]  trotsky 4 days ago link
      With $2MM and $4MM seed rounds from "angels" doesn't it make sense to lump that money in with VC fundraising if you're looking for a benchmark of investment dollars? A lot more of that money used to take the form of LPs.
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  • [-]  pg 5 days ago link
    I bet a lot of other VC funds copy this.
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    • [-]  conorh 5 days ago link
      Hah. Thanks pg. They should of course feel free to reach out to me if they need a hand ;).
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  • [-]  pg 6 days ago link
    Interesting side point: the WSJ article was on HN first (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3978537) but Forbes's rewrite of it got all the upvotes because the WSJ article is behind a paywall.
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    • [-]  zackzackzack 6 days ago link
      Probably part of the business plan for Forbes. "Watch WSJ, anytime they have a hidden gem, rewrite it and send it out." Forbes did it with the target targeting parents to be article with the New York Times: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targe...
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    • [-]  dexen 5 days ago link
      However you slice it, paywall is bothersome -- one more click to go through, with no added benefit. Let's hope the `netizens' will vote with their feet more often.
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